Previously I had written that I was hoping to speak with Bill Graber and get an explanation and an apology regarding the deception that had happened by him pretending to be lesbian blogger - 'Paula Brooks', founder of the blog Lez Get Real. I am happy to say this conversation has happened. While I had planned on it being a private conversation that I would just acknowledge happened so readers would know, Bill gave me permission to do a post on it.
Bill and I spoke for about a half hour. The first thing out of his mouth was, “I’m sorry I was such an ass.” There were no excuses, in fact it was backed up with a few more statements of I’m sorry for various things. While I accepted the apology I also needed to get some things off of my chest. It was important to me that Bill understood that my issue was the lying that happened on a personal level (see the Google chat example in my previous post).
Me: Why tell me these stories about Deb, the kids, etc?
Bill: It was part of the character.
Me: I understand, but that wasn't what was important about the character for me…you had me at politics. I am a politics junkie and I respected Paula’s mind on the issues. We could discuss and debate many political topics. That’s what I enjoyed. You and I didn’t flirt and we didn’t discuss personal things all the time. So the need to go there with me I just don’t understand.
Bill: I was manipulative. I was trying to get to people’s emotions because sometimes I needed them to do and write something emotional. It was wrong…but many times it was effective. People wanted to talk to the surfer mom. They told her things they wouldn’t tell anyone else. We had the best information of any of the blogs. That was because of the surfer mom. In fact, what I find is people are mad because I killed 'Paula.' They are mad because their friend is gone.
Me: I just don't understand the need for all the lying and manipulating of us on a personal level. For me it was not needed. I wanted to write. You didn't need to manipulate me to do so. I logged, in wrote my stuff, and logged off.
Bill: When the next time I pretend to be a lesbian surfer mom I'll be sure to ask you on how to handle it.
Me: It's really not even funny to joke about doing it again.
I was also curious about the other cast of characters. Let’s face it…this felt like the end of some move that I just didn’t see the ending coming. I’m one of those people that like to see the credits and know who played their roles. This was no different.
Me: Who are the kids…are they real?
Bill: They are my Grand kids. I’m sure you noticed the progress of time throughout the pictures. Had to be someone I knew.
Me: I put one of the pictures you sent me of them in a post. I will remove it. It's not my intention to do them any harm with all of this. My anger is not at them.
Bill: Thanks, I’m sure my daughter would appreciate it. She is just as mad as my wife.
Me: I can only imagine. You seem to have a shit load of woman pissed at you. Who is the woman in the pictures we see as ‘Paula’ on all the social media?
Bill: My sister when she was 20…keep it all in the family.
Me: What about Deb?
Bill: That is from my friends…what happened to them.
Me: But no one died I thought?
Bill: That’s true. I dramatized it. I wanted to get the story on the survivor blogs to draw readers to Lez Get Real.
Me: But people donated money. That was a horrible deception. What happened to that money?
Bill: It all went to charity. I made sure nothing came to me. That was hard. Every time there was a hit on the story on a survivor blog I felt bad because I knew it had happened to them for real and they were looking to real support and the story they were reading was a fake.
This was a pretty low point. To use this death to essentially gain more readers for the blog. It was all about the blog. It seemed that anyone could be sacrificed or hurt to move the blog forward. I was a fairly new writer for the blog when this happened so I wasn't as emotionally wrapped up in it as the others. But to hear him talk about using it simply to promote on the survivor blogs really showed me a new reality. There were no boundaries to who could be hurt. Then we discussed the blog and why this had all happened.
Bill: All I wanted to do was help the LGBT community. I served 25 years in the Air Force. I served to fight for the little people. However, I didn’t even realize the gay community was the little people. I didn’t know anything about it. Then I met a great lesbian couple. I wanted to make a difference. I wanted to fight for them because I didn’t feel like I had when I was in the service.
Me: It’s funny. The character of ‘Paula’s Dad’ that I would talk to on the phone is the closest to you. His character was retired military and it took him a long time to come around on LGBT issues but he did so because he learned about it from someone he knew – his daughter. That is to me the closest thing to reality in all of this.
Bill: Yes but the ‘Paula’ character is me too. That was my desire to want to fight for equality. Problem was I didn’t know anything about the gay community. Honestly, I thought all gay men did was go to the park to have sex. I have learned that is not the case. I may have infiltrated a community but the reality is the community educated me. I learned about the strength of the community. I really believe it is the women in the LGBT community that will win this battle. You have the kids, families…your voices are just so powerful. I know there were times writers were mad at me because I would say I was too busy and ask them to write a story. It was because I really did want the blog to be from a lesbian’s point of view…and I am not one. I wanted your (lesbians) voices on the blog. I kept trying to get out but things just kept happening and I was just never able to walk away.
Me: I know you kept saying you were trying to leave.
Bill: I was. You were a problem.
Me: I was?
Bill: Yes you were someone that would come to D.C. and want to meet her. I never thought that would happen. I didn’t know what to do.
Me: Yeah that pissed me off too. I didn’t need my time and that of my friends wasted like that. I wasn't in D.C. to see 'Paula' I had other stuff I was doing. Instead of just saying you couldn't meet you had me waiting for you on two different occasions. I was pissed then and now to learn that it wasn't even real?! That is the shit that drives me nuts. It's the pure manipulation. It leaves us feeling violated.
Bill: I was in panic mode I didn’t know what to do and I am sorry.
Me: So after all this time with these characters and running the blog is it hard to give up?
Bill: Yes…I loved my blog. I worked hard on it to make it something that made an impact. Since the whole thing blew up I have done some interviews and the first thing they ask me is to give them my contacts. Pretty funny, huh? They think I am a fraud yet they want my contacts! What does that say about our blog? They know we were about four days ahead on every story. People wanted to give the surfer mom info. Boy did we get great tips. They were dead on.
Me: Did you give them the contacts?
Bill: Hell no! I gave the blog to Bridget and I’m not going to give someone else the keys to destroy Lez Get Real. I know I hurt her the worst. I am doing everything I can to help set it right for her.
Me: Do you still have access to the blog?
Bill: No I am locked out. It’s all hers now.
Me: Sounds like that is for the best.
It was a good conversation because I am a person that likes closure. So to be able to confront Bill with my anger and ask him the questions I needed to have answered feels good. I am not one to dwell on anger. I find it takes way to much energy. So I am moving on.
There were things in the talk that stood out to me. His use of the words manipulation and infiltration in particular. It seemed like he was a soldier on a mission. While I understood that he was apologizing, I also felt like he was debriefing. Not a lot of emotion. Sincerity, I think, but not emotion.
I imagine this will not be my last contact with Bill. There maybe other questions I have that I would like answered. I wouldn't be surprised if we chatted on and off. I won't be able to ever trust him. The violation was just too much to go back. In fact, the only thing I fully believe is that he loved his blog. I know that because he would lie to anyone to protect it. But frankly, it's hard for me to resist talking with him. After all, once you finish the movie, wouldn't you love to sit down with the writer and see how they pulled off an ending that no one saw coming?
I totally understand you needed closure and an apology, but after everything you dealt with how can you believe he is sincere? Manipulative, emotionless, deceitful, controlling, mean, a narcissus and we can keep going until we get to a sociopath is not someone to believe in and have contact with. Be careful is what it comes down to.
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He seems to be saying he is sorry, but meant well to some people whilst still threatening about use of his photo and totally unapologetic to others, whist still using Paula Brooks name.
He is now trying to cover his tracks by deleting the Surf Pirate blog.
This "apology" is also a manipulation. Everything from this man's mouth is.
ReplyDeleteThe audacity, to "keep it all in the family" and use personal pictures of his GRANDKIDS, daughter, who the hell knows who else... and continues to joke about it.. of course, because he's a sociopath with NO remorse or capability of it. Meanwhile he continues throughout the internet to threaten and harass other bloggers for everything and nothing, including for using HIS picture.
There is no "setting this right" with Bridgette who fell in love with him. There's no "setting this right" with the lesbian community. He needs to stfu and disappear.
Also, I'd love for someone or everyone who donated to demand an investigation into his "bookkeeping" to verify he didn't pocket the cash. My bet is he did, and has NO proof otherwise.
The several small claims cases against him, and one for even $8030, show his bookkeeping character.
To all of the anonymous commentors, I agree with you all. As I said I will not trust what he says. I can take the conversation as closure and move on. I too was threatened to remove his picture. I knew it was a form letter. I said I would remove it and that I was disappointed that this was how I was reached out to. That led to our real conversation. In the end I was given permission to use the photo again but declined. I was not going to be used as a target when others were being forced to remove it. Like I said I agree with your assessment and thank you for your concern to proceed with caution.
ReplyDeleteI also think it is a little funny that on a post about false identity the only comments are from anonymous people.
Interesting. I think the only part that I might believe is that his daughter and wife are furious with him.
ReplyDeletewhy bother asking 'bill' for permission about anything? he's a jerk who created a dangerous hoax with many implications and should not be treated with any respect. i don't think we've had nearly enough accountability from 'bill' and his partners 'bridgette' and 'linda' and we genuine LGBT bloggers need more skepticism, skepticism, skepticism when dealing with the likes of 'bill'.
ReplyDeleteum, heidi, have you met the alleged wife or daughter of 'bill' in person? i see no reason in the world to believe a damn thing he has to say.
ReplyDeleteHeidi, LOL I see your point based on the fact that anyone that had any interaction with him is furious...if they exist I would imagine they would be too. I would draw that conclusion even if he hadn't said it.
ReplyDeleteMichael, I didn't ask him for his permission to do anything. After our discussion and unprompted he apologized for sending me the cease and desist letter about the picture and said that he wouldn't have a problem giving me permission to use his picture and that if I wanted to write about our discussion to feel free. He does have a right to say who will use his picture but not to give permission on what I write. However, I was not asking his permission to do anything.
ReplyDeleteMy goal is to simply get all of this out in writing. Get it out of my system and move on. I hope others can learn from it. I hope others do more digging and get more answers. As someone who was a victim in this (in a more minor way than others) I have no interest in continuing to dwell in the anger and get involved in the lies again.
But if others keep the pressure on I hope they tell the story and we all continue to learn so this doesn't happen to anyone again.
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